I just started editing the links in the comic stories for the Bluto/Brutus/Sonny/Black Jack character. I started linking Sonny/Black Jack to Bluto because that is where Sonny is mentioned. However I noticed you changed a one link for Sonny to Brutus. Before I continue I want to know where the link should really go. What article should it point at? Should we add something about Sonny in the Brutus article?
And what about the stories that don't call him by any name at all. Should we list his as The Big Swab or That Guy or whatever Popeye calls him in that story? Call him Bluto or Brutus? Not list him at all?
It is confusing to be sure. But my view is that they were all Bluto stand-ins, where every effort was made to call him anything but "Bluto". That until they realized he could be called as in the TV show, Brutus. In other words, Brutus is the last and more notable in a long list of Bluto replacements, enough to get his own article. So every one before that -> Bluto; after -> Brutus.
You'll be getting to Popeye #64 soon, that's the first one that uses "Brutus". Heads up, though: the same issue still features one of the nameless ones in another story (and they look quite different). You can see that the comic book's big list article has both "Brutus" and "Bluto" for that issue. I suppose you'll do the same?
I think that was the original intention, to have the big bearded guy (Bluto in all but name, for legal reasons) revealed to be related to another of Popeye's greater enemies. Maybe they retconned back years later, but it was true for a while.
Yes, Sonny was created in the same way Brutus was created to prevent any legal issues of the Bluto name. That is why Sunny should have his own page like Brutus. He has a shorter history than Brutus but he is a recurring character named in two or three stories that I can remember. Maybe more.
Don't forget that Brutus has been officialy stated to be a different character, in the Popeye Specials and the strip. If not, the jury may still be out on whether they're the same or not. Before Brutus, the comic books went out of their way to avoid naming the big guy, as you probably know, but still have him clearly be "himself" to star in the comics, instead of only using non-descript muscleheads (which were also in other stories, to be sure).
As for Sonny Boy having his own name, I suspect this was yet another trick to avoid the subject being named: "Sonny Boy" was what his mom called him, but not the other characters.
Have you seen him called Sonny Boy by Popeye or anyone else?
In that case, he might deserve an article, if you wanted to make it. Though I think he is still *supposed* to be the same old beardy fellow. The Italian comics had their big-mouthed Timoteo (their name for Bluto) as the Hag's son, so it also came across as that to official Popeye authors overseas.
Pity that the reprint ended, but they covered the entire Dell run! That's quite amazing, since so many American comics only get to a handful issues. It shows that Sagendorf's Popeye has that ol' classics draw.
I do want to get to a page for Sonny but it is not on the top of my list. I want to build on the comic book section with some more detailed plots. I may even want to make pages for other characters like Uncle Elmo and Lord Golden Oyl. So I'll get to them in order for the most part. I just know what order that will be yet.
IDW just released a new printing of "The Great Comic Book Tales by Bud Sagendorf" from 2011 so they still have an interest in Popeye. Maybe they will reprint some of the other issues in the future too. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Last January you set up a redirect for Cow to point to the Cattle article. Now in issue 39 there is a comic story titled "Cow?" Could you change that redirect? We can't create a page titled with a question mark so I can't create a page titled "Cow?"
Hello 186. Sorry for the lack of activity since july. Lets just say that things have been pretty hectic in my home country as of late. But order seems to be returning so I'll try and be more active and finish up the Plunder Island page as well as the other Thimble Theatre tales, however things are still quite hectic here so one can't be certain. Crime is a bit on the rise, as well as power failures.
Hola amigo! (You're not Spanish, are you? Well, "hola" still applies since I'm a Spanish-speaker). It's great to see you around again! And I must say I'm a bit relieved as I've had to maintain the authority as an admin while you were gone. Luckily, you're a true Beast in that respect!
I hate it when things start to go bad in a country. I sincerely hope things get better.
Yep. I'm spanish alright lol. Como lo sabias? Sorry if things got tough while I was gone. I'm currently reading up Plunder Island and preparing the summary. But yeah its been pretty hectic. I've got family in España, PR and Mexico so it hasn't been easy. There's been that 4.9 earthquake in Mexico, hurricane maria in PR and that terror attack in Barcelona which left some shaken. I was staying in PR for the last month helping out my family there, but I'll probably be going back next month if I can convince my employers to give me another month off for the sake of helping in the relief efforts. But before that I'll try and finish up as much of the Thimble Theatre material as I can.
That's triple tough! I was a bit worried since you were just out of the hospital... but I'm glad you're fine. We could speak in Spanish no problem, but I think we should stick to English in the interest of other people reading. Well, things have been OK around here really.
Did you see the new badges? You had customized a couple but I chose to start over to make a full conversion (sorry about that). They're all Popeye characters now!
Well, the situation in Spain has been a bit complicated lately. On a lighter Spanish-related note, have you ever tried a search for Rosario, Topete, Pilón or Cocoliso in here...?
Thanks a lot! Yeah, I'm really proud about them badges. It took me a looong time to plan out, but it was worth it, if I may say so myself (by the way, I still gotta fix the Popeye one a bit).
You get pictures when doing a search? I don't, only the article name appears for me. Try clicking on that pictures! I just did the corresponding redirects, for Spanish names but also other languages that I could find out.
B is doing great, at least her unbelievable editing prowess is at full swing down at her wiki. She just wanted to get rid of the old.
Eh...... as you've probably noticed, Cobarritt has been doing really abundant contributions lately. He can be very passionate & has no compunction in arguing with the "management" (we've had some disagreements, and since you're maybe a bit stricter than I...) His only interest is improving the wiki though so I'd ask you to try and not butt heads with him if possible - us few can be a great team if we worked together.
Why would I buttheads with him? I didn't tell him to leave or anything. I explained my reasons about Charlie and he left of his own accord despite me agreeing that we should work together. Although the message he left on your wall upon his return suggests that he only wanted to come back if I was absent, so if anything, seems like he's pushing my buttons, but I won't engage in the matter any further as long as he continues to make positive edits and we can get along. Anyway, let's skip that sour topic and mention that I noticed your last edit to the Moon Rock Men page and it reminded me that they appeared in another Popeye issue. I'll try to add that soon enough.
Pre-emptive strike, arf, arf! I suspected some arguing might happen in the future - but it's not quite that B/W, actually, he's also told me about his respect for you. Well, then, nothing to worry about if that's your approach.
I don't hold grudges and I understand his reasons very well. But anyway, about the comics, I was wondering, are my history sections in character articles useful? I ask because I look at them and wonder if people would just rather read the summaries of the comic/cartoon the character appeared in so as to get the full story rather than just one side of the story from one character's perspective. I hope I'm making sense here.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that. The more the merrier! I tend to go short rather than long, tho, but that's just me. Like a wise man once said, "Brevity is your friend. Pedantry is not".
But I can find no fault with that section. If someone doesn't want to read it, they can skip it.
EDIT: Issue #70, Interplanetary Weapon, could that be it? I have it. Novaro.
I noticed on the article for ("Ahoy, Swee'Pea, the postman jus' brang ya a package") you added a link to Aunt Jones. I thought this was strange because there is no article for Aunt Jones (or any other Jones besides Davey Jones). But it does bring up a subject I've been wanting to discus with you. I want to create an article for The Joneses. I think it's hysterical that everyone is named Jones.
I want to create a single article to display some of The Joneses. I think characters like Aunt Jones could be linked to this article instead of a separate article for each Jones. Since this page can get very long I would to design it to use the <tabview> [similar to the <tabber> I used in Popeye Classics (comic book) article]. I hate web pages that scroll on forever.
What do you think? I would like to know what you had in mind when you added this link.
Hi Chuck. Aunt Jones is a Sims/Zaboly character, "Ahoy..." is from the late 1940s, I'm not sure, but she's likely to have appeared by then. I know Sagendorf didn't follow S/Z version, but this may be an exception. Or a coincidence, really, but the possibility is big enough to link to her. I sadly haven't had the chance to make her article yet but I want to since she's a noteworthy enough character
...I even have some comics with her but she's mostly a background character & there's not much info on her (is she Popeye's maid? I've seen stuff to suggest that). So I'm kinda stalled there.
About the "Joneses": I wouldn't go that route. There's a running joke of Wimpy claiming to be "one of the Jones boys" but I doubt there's actually a "Jones family" in Popeye comics. I suppose the Jones surname is so common that it'd turn up a lot in the comics (and maybe Sagendorf had a preference towards it) but if you asked me, I'd say they're not one big family. But if you can dig around (since you have a pretty complete Popeye comic book collection) & find evidence as to their all being actually related, let me know, we should discuss a bit more before we decide they deserve an article.
But I already have a very extensive list of Jones characters as well as several connections to Wimpy. In my opinion it is not a matter of should we have a page, but how much we should include on it. This needs more discussion.
1). Can I make changes to several comic book character articles created by the Beast? The characters are Mr. Tillbox, Kid Kabbage, Mervin M. Mouser, Samuel Snagg and Baby Doll. They have comic story plot summaries in the Biography section. I think this should be removed from these article and placed in the articles I created for each story. I have many reasons to make these changes: a) He did a better job with his summary than I did with my synopsis. b) Not all of the plot is about the character. Although, I do plan to retain the information that is about each character. c) The text is duplicated word-for-word in each character from the same stories.
2). Can I add Olive Oyl's Uncle Ben Zene Oyl to her character article? In the past her page was protected. Is it still protected?
3). Why did you remove the image place holders I created for the All-New Popeye Hour episodes? I designed the page layout with the place holders to give the whole series a clean, uniformed look. It is sloppy without them. Other contributors have used place holders in other articles. I would like to replace them.
2) Sure. I think I removed all page protections since you have to have an user to edit in here anyway.
3) They say Picture Requested and I don't think anyone was fulfilling that request - I probably looked for some myself but didn't find any images either - and it doesn't look terribly pretty w/that in there. Replace them if you want, but keep an eye out to try & find the corresponding screencaps.
4) I thought we weren't naming names, but that was your idea. I'll be naming names then.
4) Sorry for the name confusion. I well never use names to speak badly of anyone. My dad taught me that when I was a kid. But mentining user names to discuss contributions may influence our desision making process.
3) There's actually a "No Image Available" file if you wanted to use it. But if you wanna make it like the one you uploaded, with the background, it could be "No Episode Image Available" for the sake of consistency.
4) I agree.
5) I'm finally ready to start a little project I've been planning for a looong time (but I wouldn't until I had it 100% figured out)! Won't take long - try and wait a little until you start earning lotsa badges......
Dear admin and Sailorpedia, thank you for this great site full of resources on our beloved character.
My name is Samer, I have a piece of old Popeye cartoon that I have been looking for with no luck, and starting to think I am going crazy or just imagining things, and would appreciate your help.
The story is simply about Popeye in a "Jason and the argonauts" setting, you know, the golden fleece story. I know what youre thinking, its not that episode that can easily be found online. Its more like a longer full episode, a film of some sort, and I remember the animation being really smooth and seemed modern to me at the time (early 90s). I remember for instance Popeye battling the famous skeleton army at the outset of the film (i think it was the beginning). Suffice it to say, Iam not 100% on anything that I am writing here except the skeletons part, (I think :) Can you please helpo me in identifing this? am I mixing things up? thank you in advance.
Hi Samer, nice to have you around! Feel free to make edits if you can add any stuff that we don't have.
As for "your" cartoon, I'm not sure; there's a Greek adventure from the 1960 series, but that show' animation was anything but "smooth" so we can probably rule that out. I think it may be the Popeye and Son episode "Ain't Mythbehavin" which had a flashback to a myth-related adventure, if I recall correctly. That's a newer show (though not terribly slick, I might add).
Thank you for your reply. The episode you are referencing is definitely interesting as my research pointed to that exact episode some years ago but, I stopped trying when I couldn't find the episode online.
Is there a good place to watch this episode that you can point me to?
"Popeye and Junior sail to Greece in search of the Golden Fleece, with Olive in hot pursuit- trying to bring them their lunch! Popeye and Junior must fight bulldozers and tourists, while Olive encounters fire-breathing bulls, an army of skeletons, and a band of Harpies."
So the episode has skeletons and the Golden Fleece - that's a pretty big chance it's the one you're looking for. It seems Amazon.com has all the episodes, too (but you have to pay).
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